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German question in grammer
could someone please explain to me the reason why a noun will change from a nomanitiv die, der or das something out. I feel I can't progress with my German learning until I understand the sence behind the changes. I understand that it is because of the noun but could you explain the reasons and give like a clear example and explanation. I am really confused. I hope I haven't confused you. I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL!!! thanks

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ArchivedMember
September 8, 2003

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18853
Re:German question in grammer
Also ich bin kein Lehrer, deshalb weiß ich nicht, wie du das am besten lernen kannst. Wie du ein Substantiv (noun) deklinierst, hängt mit dem Fall zusammen, wie du schon oben schreibst. Also als Beispiel

1) Nominativ -> die Frau
2) Genitiv -> der Frau
3) Dativ -> der Frau
4) Akkusativ -> die Frau

Beispiele

1) Die Frau besitzt ein Auto. (wer besitzt das Auto?)
2) Es ist das Auto der Frau. (wessen Auto?)
3) Ich gebe das Auto der Frau. (wem gebe ich das Auto?)
4) Hier fällt mir kein Beispiel ein. (wen ...?)

Vielleicht hilft's dir ja. :-)

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Andreas
September 10, 2003

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Re:Re:German question in grammer
Nachtrag, zu 4) müsste eigentlich passen:

Ich habe die Frau in mein Auto eingeladen. (wen habe ich eingeladen?)



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Andreas
September 11, 2003

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Re:German question in grammer
The reason is very simple: German-branch languages, French-branch
languages behave this way. You have to catch that each noun
has its own gender: masculine, femine, neutrium. If a noun is
masculine(like: father- der Vater) it will use its own type
of conjugation in singular (der, des, dem, den).
Femine noun like lady - die Frau in singular goes like:
die, der, der, der, die. Neutrium like horse - das Pferd
(der, des, dem, den). Plural uses only one way of conjugation.
BTW except des you had a postfix to noun: "s".



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ArchivedMember
September 17, 2003

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Re:German question in grammer
Hmm, the German grammar is quite complicated. So here is the run down: German have three genders and four cases. all noun has a gender, whether it is male, female, or neutral. And then there are the cases, which depend on the sentence use.
1. Nominative - for example, subject:
zB: Das Buch gehoert mir.
2. Accusative - direct object
zB: Ich habe den Wagen.
3. dative - indirect object
zB: Ich schicke der Frau mein Buch. (der Frau is the i.o.)
4. Genitive - possession
zB: Das Auto des Lehrers ist kaputt. (des Lehrers)

Here is the important part: nouns do not change their genders. The definite articles der, die, das change their forms, but the genders remain the same. So for example, normal it is die Frau, but for dative and genitive die --> der. It is only the conjugation. The changes can be summarized as following, in above order:
m: der --> den --> dem --> des
f: die --> die --> der --> der
n: das --> das --> dem --> des
pl: die --> die --> den --> der

I hope this helps. Good luck with your german!

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ArchivedMember
September 19, 2003

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Re:Re:German question in grammer
> Hmm, the German grammar is quite complicated.
> So here is the run down: German have three genders
> and four cases.

German is quite complicated but there are more complicated languages :)

Imagine that in Polish we have seven cases, we don't use
definite/indefinite articles but some suffixes added to noun/verb/adjective subject.

Good luck!

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September 22, 2003

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